Wild Wild Left Radio #71 An Interview with Joe Bageant

The ad is up early (0.00 / 0)

because I have no idea what type of connection awaits me... if all else fails, I can drive to an internet cafe in the city and do final tweaks tomorrow morning.

I'll be around all day today, scurrying with last-minute packing and dog-sitter thingies.

I lead gottlieb by the hand a nose ring (heh) last night through the 4 minute turned 20 minute process of running the switchboard, so that part is taken care of. Poor thing. I had about 400 things going at once, kid and man bringing things in front of my nose, saying, "will you pack this?" or "do you want this fishing pole" while bff Linda stood by waiting to see how to turn on the AC for the dogs once it gets hot again, all the leftovers on the counter waiting for triage to clean out the fridge, dishwasher and clothes washer running in full throated fury, ipods waiting in line to be charged via laptop, an array of books demanding selection... you would think I was leaving for a month, not 4-5 days... I was NOT the queen of patience.... but I did laugh at myself.

When I leave alone for that long, I pack like a college kid... one bathing suit, a pair of jeans, a pair of sweats, a couple tankee tops, the shorts I'm wearing and a hoodie. Toothbrush and guitar, I'm gone. I can live a week out of a tiny backpack. And they want food, too. I'd bring a bag of Doritos, a block of cheese, and a jar of peanut butter, but Y chromosomes require actual meals.

:::eyeroll:::

I digress.

This is going to be a GREAT show, and I PROMISE, all he has to do is click a couple buttons. Mommy will take care of everything else... (did i just say that out loud, why yes, yes i did...) Yet another reason reverse-polygamy would never work for me... men - all work and life-support, never enough carnal stuff. lmao.

Ok, still need to hand-mow a couple acres, check the oil in the car and make sure the tires all have equal air, pack the car and grocery shop.

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by: Diane Gee @ Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 11:26:06 AM UTC

Heard from Joe (0.00 / 0)

His net is down, but he will reach us by land line....

I'm still rushing around, waiting for Mike to get home.

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by: Diane Gee @ Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 20:20:31 PM UTC

back (11.00 / 1)

Im back home (last ngiht) from my week away. You're going away for a week Diane? Have a great rip!

We ended up at the hotel at the beach with no FREE WiFi, as promised. Long story. I got oer it. Sis had brought her MAC laptop (its kinda new still) and she has no mouse - ergh - so I finally just said screw it, and did the beach thing.

I feel ya re the prep... Im so OCD about prep and packing its ridiculous. Now to do it in reverse,,, easy peasy. lol

Have a great time.

aka Lady Libertine

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by: Sally Panic @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 13:19:18 PM UTC

30 minutes before show (0.00 / 0)

I cannot access Blogtalkradio

g.

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by: gottlieb @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 21:30:20 PM UTC

DU - Falluja - Hiroshima (0.00 / 0)

From UncensoredArabWomanBlues

I just finished watching a re-run of Ahmad Mansour's Al-Jazeera Arabic - interview with Prof.Chris Busby. Prof Busby is a Scientist and Director of Green Audit, and scientific secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risks. To find out more on Prof Chris Busby and his work -- Google -- Chris Busby Uranium.

Prof Busby has published many articles on radiation, uranium and contamination in countries such as Lebanon, Kosovo, Gaza and of course Iraq.

His latest findings - which were the subject of the program aired on Al-Jazeera are what I will focus on here.

As some of you know, Falluja is a forbidden city. It was subjected to intense bombardments in 2004, with DU bombs and White phosphorus, and since it has become a no go zone - meaning that both the Iraqi puppet authorities and the U.S invading/occupying forces do not allow anyone to  conduct any real study in Falluja. Falluja is basically under siege.

Obviously both the Americans and the Iraqis know something and are hiding it from the public. And this is where Prof. C.Busby comes in the picture. He was/is adamant to get to the bottom of what took place in Falluja in 2004.

Being a top scientist in his field, he set out to conduct a survey/research in Falluja whose preliminary results will be published in 2 weeks - hopefully.

Prof Busby found many obstacles while undertaking this project. Neither he nor any member of his team were allowed access to Falluja to conduct interviews. He said when the main door closes, one has to find other doors to open. And this is what he did. He managed to gather a team of Iraqis from Falluja to conduct the surveys for him.

The research project was based on 721 families from Falluja with 4'500 participants - living in both high level and lower level radiation zones. Results were compared to a control group - a sample of the same number of families living in a non radioactive zone in another Arab country. For the purpose of the study he chose three other countries for comparison - Kuwait, Egypt and Jordan.

Before getting into the preliminary results I must note the following :

- the Iraqi authorities threatened all the participants of this survey with arrest and detention should they cooperate with the "terrorists" who were interviewing them. In other words, they were threatened under the anti-terrorism act.

- The U.S forces prohibited Dr.Busby for gathering any data, arguing that Falluja is an insurgency zone.

- The doctors from Falluja turned down the request to be aired live on the Ahmad Mansour program because they had received several death threats and feared for their lives.

In other words, the study was conducted under very difficult and life threatening conditions. But it was conducting nonetheless.

As the program has not been uploaded on youtube, I can't give a word for word transcription. I took short hand notes and memorized the rest. But I will do my best to present all the facts I heard today.

So what is it that the US and its Iraqi puppets do not want the public to learn ? And why are they are not allowing any measurements of the levels of radiation in Falluja, and why did they even forbid the IAEA to enter Falluja ?

What exactly happened in Falluja ? What were the kinds of bombs used ? Was it just DU or more ?

1) One thing that is very peculiar to Falluja is that the rates of cancer have risen dramatically in a very short space of time i.e since 2004. Examples given by Dr.Busby :
- rate of Child Leukemia is 40 X (times) higher since 2004 than during previous years. And compared to Jordan for instance it is 38 X times higher.
- rate of breast cancer is 10 X higher since 2004
- rate of lymphatic cancer is also 10 x higher since 2004.
2) Another peculiarity to Falluja is the dramatic rise in infant mortality rates. Compared to 2 other Arab countries like Kuwait and Egypt who are not contaminated by radiation these are the figures :

- infant mortality rates for Falluja is 80 infants out of 1'000 births in comparison to Kuwait with 9 infants out of 1'000, and to Egypt with 19 infants out of 1'000. (so Iraqi infant mortality rate is 4 times higher than Egypt and 9 times higher than Kuwait)

3) the third peculiarity to Falluja is the number of genetic deformities that has suddenly exploded since 2004. This is a subject I've already covered in the past. But this is not the whole story, today I learned something else.  The radiation of whatever agent that was used by the "liberating forces", not only causes massive genetic deformities but also and this is very important :

- it causes structural changes at the cellular level.

- which in turns means due to the genetic make up of male infants (lack of X chromosome), male infants are more likely to die at birth, and female infants are more likely to survive birth with strong deformities. And here another example is given by Dr.Busby : prior to 2003 the birth rates in Falluja were as follows : 1050 male infants to 1000 female infants. In 2005, there has been only 350 male infants born - meaning that male infants do not survive.

- as for the female infants and this is where the tragedy lies...radiation causes change at the DNA level, which means that these same female if they do survive, and if they do reproduce will give birth to genetically disfigured females and dead male infants.

- the above findings are backed by other studies conducted on the children and grandchildren of Hiroshima survivors (in 2007) and which show that even the third generation exhibits genetic malformations including disease(cancer, heart, etc...)by a rate of 50 X times. In Chernobyl on the other hand, studies on animals in the same area have shown that the effects of radiation have genetically modified 22 generations. In sum radiation is transmitted from gene to gene and has a cumulative effect with time. (won't go into how - with cells accumulation/ memory and the  working of the immune system - here. You can read more details about that once Prof Busby's paper is published)

- Some of the infant deformities are so grotesque that both Al-Jazeera and the BBC who produced a documentary on the same subject - refused to air pictures to their viewers.
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-there are 40 other sites (areas) in Iraq heavily contaminated but Falluja is the WORST hit.

Already with these preliminary findings, Prof. Busby and his team concluded that in comparison to Hiroshima and Nagazaki - Falluja was worse. And I quote from Dr.Busby : " The situation in Falluja is scary and horrendous, it is more dangerous and worse than Hiroshima..."

Read more about DU here. An excerpt:

WORLD TRADE CENTER AIR STUDIES:

Dr. Thomas Cahill, Emeritus Professor of Physics and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of California at Davis, conducted an independent study of the air around Ground Zero at the World Trade Center after the 9/11 disaster13. Using very sophisticated monitoring instruments14 which detect very fine and ultra fine particles, Cahill and his group monitored the smoldering pile at the WTC for 5 months following the disaster from one mile north of the center. They measured concentrations of particles in six size ranges from 2.5 microns to 0.09 microns13. They reported the highest concentrations of very fine particles of metals ever reported in the US13, and unprecedented numbers of very fine and super fine particles13. This air monitoring study of the WTC provided new information about very fine and superfine particles which have rarely been studied. Burning metals and other materials at high temperatures generate very large amounts of very small particles. For this reason depleted uranium which has burned is particularly hazardous.

The EPA has verified that depleted uranium was in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 18,19 and that the crash site was contaminated. Residents of New York City detected radiation on hand held geiger counters at the WTC site. The EPA not only failed to protect emergency response personnel at both sites, but did not report or measure13 concentrations of very fine particles at any of the 9/11 plane crash locations. These are the most hazardous to health, and many personnel who worked at the crash sites are now very ill.

Don't Panic

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by: fortytwo @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 21:51:32 PM UTC

been trying (0.00 / 0)

everywhere 10 seconds for an hour. cannot access Blogtalkradio.com

Ain't happening.

g.

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by: gottlieb @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 21:56:08 PM UTC

So... (0.00 / 0)

I just heard Diane offer an alternative phone number but I wasn't quick enough to grab it. Then she said something about disconnecting and disappeared.

Diane...what's up? Total silence on the 646-929-1264 number as of 6:08.

AG

Things don't go wrong, they simply happen.-Jacob Ghitis

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by: Arthur Gilroy @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 22:08:41 PM UTC

Notice - Technical Difficulties (8.00 / 2)

Unfortunately, Gottlieb experienced technical difficulties accessing Blog Talk Radio. He was unable to log in, and host the show.

Please accept our sincere apologies for the disappointment

Diane and Gottlieb will be back next week and hopefully with enough groveling, apologies and bribes we can reschedule Joe Bageant.

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by: Louise @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 22:48:23 PM UTC

Please. (5.00 / 1)

Joe and I have corresponded a number of times but never managed to hook up in person. I'd love to get to talk to him.

AG

Things don't go wrong, they simply happen.-Jacob Ghitis

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by: Arthur Gilroy @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 22:50:33 PM UTC

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I was sooo looking forward to the interview (0.00 / 0)

but I came in late after hauling lumber and groceries and assorted other chores. If I had checked in earlier, I could have logged in and hosted.

...not that I'm that great of a host, but I was able to access the switchboard and chat links - I have to assume that Gottlieb is having problems with his ISP.

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by: Louise @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 22:55:32 PM UTC

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Also: (5.00 / 1)

 I deleted the episode from the show archives since there isn't any content.  

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by: Louise @ Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 22:58:21 PM UTC