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by: jeffroby

Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 14:39:21 PM EDT


... and as promised, I have sent the following to Buhdy re their Israel/Palestine policy:

Buhdy,

I greatly appreciate that you allowed me to post on the flotilla massacre.  I hope that I didn't disappoint you.  You may recall at the time that I had asked for a 7-10 day temporary lift of the ban, with the hope that the policy could be re-evaluated.  You gave me a one-shot, but I hope we can still consider re-evaluation.

jeffroby :: As a good law abiding citizen ...
As you state in the FAQ:

All of the 'rules' are subject to .....MY subjectivity. All of these rules are changeable. And challengable! But....I am The Decider.  The Zen Dictator of Docudharma...meaning, I will have a hands off policy and position as much as is possible, but if it comes to me having to make a decision, I will do so as quickly as possible and take full responsibility for it. If the site is successful and we get too big for me to pay attention to every case, the rules will be changed. Which should lead to some interesting discussions!

First of all, I just re-read the FAQ.  All that it says on I/P is:

Inflammatory discussion of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is not allowed. What constitutes inflammatory is my subjective call. If you wish to publish on this issue please e-mail me for more details.

My strict reading of the policy is that:

(1)  Inflammatory discussion is not allowed.  I would gather that applies to BOTH essays and comments.
(2)  If you wish to publish, contact you for (implicitly) guidelines.  It does not mention pre-approval and is posed as a [firm] request, not a demand.

Per the wording in the FAQ, I have no objection to the policy whatsoever.  Your request that people contact you for details is perfectly reasonable.  There is no mention of "I will ban you if you don't," though I assume that if -- per the above wording -- someone didn't contact you and was inflammatory, their ass would be banned right pronto.  (And I note that you have been readily approving essays.)

However, in ek hornbeck's Ex Cathedra post, he states:

If you wish to discuss Israeli/Palestinian issues you are expected to submit your content in advance to buhdy who will discuss it with other site Administrators and Contributing Editors and decide whether your content is inflammatory or not.

There is quite a discrepancy between the FAQ stated policy and the ek stated policy.  Has the FAQ changed in the past week?  Is there a shadow policy, the "real deal" behind the curtain?

ek hornbeck goes on to state:

Discussions of I/P almost always instantly degenerate into knee jerk apologies for unconscionable actions on the one hand and anti semitic hate speech on the other.

He puts this in quotes, with perhaps an implication that this too is from the FAQ.  In the ensuing discussion on that post, MomCat cites this quote twice.

If this is indeed the rationale for a pre-approval policy, I must say that -- in the responses to my Eyeless in Gaza essay and in the others that you have approved, flame wars have not been the case on Docudharma.  I noticed that while, Kos used to have flame wars over this, there have been many side diaries on Kos in the past week, and while there has been some smoke, there has been no fire.  Is this because the Kos community has suddenly had an affliction of good manners?  Perhaps, but I suspect that it results from a  political shift in the past year, capped by the fallout from the flotilla massacre.  There is no basis for serious flame war on a PROGRESSIVE site because there is no humane foundation for the old kind of blind defense of Israel in the current climate.  That has certainly been the case on Docudharma.

The only "flame war" Docudharma has seen on this has been on ek's post.  Both Kitty ("the contents of this thread confirms that the rule is a good one" and MomCat ("Most of the comments have confirmed our resolve to enforce it") apparently consider the discussion on ek's post as justification for the ban.  Indeed, Ed Encino said some bad shit and rightly got his head handed to him, and there was Diane's "brownshirt" remark which she herself regrets.  A few other of the 211 comments were unnecessarily nasty.  But a major part of the heat on the thread was generated in reaction to the moderators or directly BY the moderators.

ek's:

Now you can feel free to hate me just as hard and long as you want, my ego is quite robust and I assure you it can withstand your assault. I don't give a rat's ass what you think anyway.

... certainly takes the "moderate" out of "moderator."  And when people wanted to discuss the policy, they were confronted down the line with "this is the policy, we will enforce it, you must not have read the FAQ."  I got variations of this response 5 times from MomCat, and you and she both know I have read the FAQ.  The belligerence does not reflect well on Docudharma.

But my bottom-line argument -- apart from I/P posts on Docudharma NOT "almost always instantly degenerat[ing] into knee jerk apologies for unconscionable actions on the one hand and anti semitic hate speech on the other" is as I stated on the thread:

it is simply that when there is murder and oppression going on, we have not only a right but an obligation to speak out.  Anywhere.  Even if some are made uncomfortable.  To do otherwise is to commit the crime of silence.

To single out I/P sends a chilling message, whether intended or not, and fears of constant flame wars are highly exaggerated.

Night Owl has requested:  "It would also be nice... to know the criteria for approval. 'Inflammatory' is way too vague a term to be of much guidance.  Apart from the pre-approval issue, I think that would be helpful."

In any event, I know you are navigating difficult waters, and thank you for considering this.

jeffroby

We'll see.

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Good point--I think they need to re-write the FAQ. (9.50 / 4)
But I think the point is that lefty-bloggers preach democracy, it seems, but don't know how to follow it. Indeed, it isn't easy.

There is a way to to make democracy work on blogs like DD and that's allow the members to decide and debate the bylaws. On the other hand, members should also help bear the cost of the blog so that it belongs to every member.


tip of the day (11.00 / 2)
Don't draw to an inside straight.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  

If anyone wants to jump in ... (12.00 / 1)
http://www.docudharma.com/diar...

I've already been threatened, insulted and reviled.  What's next?

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


Great post, Jeff. (9.00 / 3)
In my case, no one has explained why my essay was removed, other than ek's statement in his ex Cathedra thread that "it clearly violated the rule."  

I have to conclude that it was removed because I didn't ask permission, although the brief section of the essay towards the end where I condemned the Israeli government and the people defending the killing of activists may have been considered inflammatory.

In my opinion, ek is consistently inflammatory.  He goes out of his way to brandish his authority and insult people by boasting that he doesn't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks.

If Docudharma wants to ban people for being inflammatory, they should start with ek.  It's the height of hypocrisy for an inflammatory admin like him to be pointing fingers at anyone else when he's inflammatory all the time, but gets away with it because "he's just being ek."      


At this point ... (12.00 / 1)
... I'm less concerned with changing the policy (impossible) than with building an airtight case.  Thus I follow every rule and follow every suggestion to strip away any charge that I didn't use what was available.

There is more to tell, but I'm holding off pending more reactions.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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I don't know if the policy will be changed, but I do know from email dialogue (11.00 / 1)
with one of the admins that there's disagreement among them regarding the policy and how it's being enforced.  The admins are publicly defending it, but that doesn't mean they all agree with it.  

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As you saw from above ... (12.00 / 1)
there is some daylight between ek (Ex Cathedra) and Buhdy (FAQ).  In addition, there is daylight between Kitty and ek and MomCat, as Kitty is reluctant to threaten to ban people, and reminds them that Buhdy is the final authority -- not them.   MomCat is an intelligent thug, ek is a just plain thug.

The problem with backing a rat into a corner is that you end up with a cornered rat.  In this case, I felt so strongly about the issue that I chose to back them into a corner.  Thus I am disappointed but not shocked by the response.

Where there is some room for play concerns how Buhdy approves or doesn't approve various issues.  By simply defying the ban and getting banned, we learn nothing we don't already know.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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I support what you're doing, your approach applies pressure on the policy (0.00 / 0)
and may have beneficial results.  I chose to defy the policy, my subsequent suspension and continued absence from DD also applies pressure on the policy.

Resistance to that policy is not going to go away, and the longer the admins defend it, the more credibility and respect they will lose.    


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sigh... Im such a Pisces (10.00 / 1)
really.

Ive been trying to steer clear of all this for a number of reasons... quite simply, I'd prefer to be having this conversation AT Docudharma rather than here at WWL. There's MUCH I don't know, am not familiar with the history and blogland protocol or whathaveyou. I arrived late to the party.... the middle of the movie, trying to catch up. I tend to reserve judgement until I have more info or hear out both sides of an issue (Im that way in general).

Theres several points I agree with or see with some/most of you guys and there are some points on the other side as well. The debate, discussion, around it all so far has been, can I say, less than stellar. For the most part. I appreciate your efforts, jeffroby.

What dismays me is .... phew ... I wouldve thought that a reasonable, adult, conversation with some concrete expressions of the various views and reasons for them, and so on.... open communication, debate, which has a primary & mutual purpose or goal of building and strengthening the community rather than....  tearing individual people down and smacking down even a discussion about how to have a discussion.... that seems out of character to me for both the site and the site owners/founders.

Buhdy has been kind of MIA over there for ...well, since Earth Day. Its his blog, he does have the final word, so Im waiting to hear it. :P

SO... Im reading but Im also pretty busy on some projects that have cut into my blogtime too... so Im on the periphery still.

Sorry to sound so wishy washy but Im not ready to say more just yet, publicly and at WWL.

aka Lady Libertine


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there's something of an ongoing DD discussion ... (0.00 / 0)
... if you want to call it that, here.

Buhdy has responded privately, and he seems to be uncompromisingly opposed.  But don't expect a public response.  He prefers to work through his henchpersons and appear to be above it all.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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This isn't complicated, Lady Libertine. (0.00 / 0)
Censorship is wrong, and banning people who won't submit to it is wrong.  That reality trumps every "justification" the admins are trying to make for that Rule.  

ek and Momcat are making authoritarian spectacles of themselves. People who won't salute that fucking rule are called "whiners", they're accused of "hijacking threads".  When Dharmasyd, who has the patience of a saint, gets so angry, that should confirm for you that something is very wrong in DocudharmaLand.  

It's surreal that authoritarianism and censorship are being exhibited to such an extent on a progressive blog, it's even more surreal that most of the people there are putting up with it.      


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I thought your final reply to ek (0.00 / 0)
... was truly excellent.  Hopefully it played a part in this round coming to an end.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  

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dharmasyd has been summarily banned by ek (0.00 / 0)
He wrote:

Attempting to be resonable with you and TMC is like trying to be reasonable with an SS guard at Auschwitz.  
'Achtung!

It's like with the Jack Palance hired gun in Shane.  ek and MomCat are belligerently provocative, and when someome responds in kind, ek and MomCat use their powers as administrators to gun them down.  It is a direct abuse of power.

Someone might ask why I am conducting this fight here rather than on the "pages" of DD.  It's because I am frankly afraid that doing so will result in my being arbitrarily banned.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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I never did (12.00 / 1)
care for ek's writing much either. couldn't see what others seemed to see in it.

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Buhdy finally stepped in (2.00 / 1)
MomCat accused me of hijacking the thread.  I responded:

By my count ... there were well over a dozen comments related to the merits of the rule or admonitions that it was Buhdy's rule, many by you, before I stepped in on the rule.

So how am I the hijacker?

Buhdy finally stepped in:

Ok this is out of control And this is why we have the rule. People are taking out their anger at Israel out on each other.

The rule stands.  Period.  I have no comment on the meta, and I doubt I will. Except one.

Stop it, everyone, this is out of control.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a good place to end the fight.  We are not going to change the policy, but it is clear that we have had a significant impact on I/P coverage at DD.  It certainly does me no good for people to deliberately get themselves banned.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


Buhdy is a fucking idiot. (0.00 / 0)
Period.

If there was no rule, people angry at Israel could express their anger against Israel in essays.  Buhdy and the admins are preventing that.  The rule is causing most of the anger.  And that anger is being used as a pretext to maintain the rule.

Docudharma has gone down the rabbit hole.  I will not have anything to do with anyone who continues to post there.  


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That's sad (0.00 / 0)
... and I will continue to post there.  But when you say:

I will not have anything to do with anyone who continues to post there

I hope you are just venting.  It's going to be a long fight, and I don't just mean around I/P.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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It sure is. (0.00 / 0)
Docudharma could have been a steadily growing, influential blog, but Buhdy pissed that away time and time again.  DD is not the place to carry on the fight, it's nothing but a sandbox to play in while others carry on the fight.



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there are people there who support me (0.00 / 0)
I will not abandon them.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  

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That's admirable. (0.00 / 0)
But I think you should all leave.


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It's fine, you think that, but ... (0.00 / 0)
I will not have anything to do with anyone who continues to post there.

is not so admirable.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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Rusty... (12.00 / 2)
You are one fucking kick-ass writer, dude, I've seen few others who can string a word and a phrase together like you can. You cannot walk away.

Ask buhdy to be reinstated, I didn't say grovel, i said ask. and I'm sure he'll do it. Your ego is getting in the way, man, don't let it affect your mission. Come back swingin' with some in-your-face editorial that I know only you can do, but do it in a logical style that they can't ban you for, it's tough to argue with logic. Be a ninja.

The world is fragmenting into so many factions and tribes that we'll never be united enough to change anything in this fucked up mess. We need your brain, man. You can't walk away.  


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I disagree... (12.00 / 1)
Rusty can be just as effective here, without fear of animosity.

I thought the mission was in the words, and people know where to find him.

Maybe if they apologized to him, but god damn, he didn't deserve the brutality he got by them.

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No, he didn't deserve the brutality (11.50 / 4)
Where we differ is that I am something of a crusader.  I feel a have a responsibility to try to reach people, whether they want to be reached or not.  I try to change their minds.  The leadership at DD was never going to be changed, but we reached others who might be, if not changed, supported.

My bottom line:  I made a move that inspired other people to also step forward.  They are perhaps more vulnerable now.  Whatever my limited abilities, it would be moral cowardice on my part to pull out and leave them to face the aftermath alone.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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Didn't mean to... (11.67 / 3)
step on your toes, Di, and sorry if it came off that way, I was just looking at the overview from afar, but you know what, you're probably right.

I just found out that Night Owl got the boot last night too. I'm probably not going to participate there much anymore myself as I've probably got a target on my back too. So Rusty, if you want to call bullshit on me and throw that comment down the memory hole, go right ahead.

If they can just throw Rusty, Night Owl, and syd to the ground like they did, well, just fuck it!

But I will say this: eventually we have to stop these internecine divisions or we'll all end up as an army of one, peering at each other over our moats and walls.


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Oh, you didn't (12.00 / 2)
I was just being defensive.... like I said below, I have a cringe factor for feeling yelled at; while if its me, I'll usually duck and cover, I do feel all protective when I think my friends are being unnecessarily hurt.

So, I was just thinking out loud... I have no idea if my thoughts are right or not, but thats just how they feel to me now.

:)

d

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Thank you, gotterdammerung. (12.00 / 3)
I'm not walking away, I'll be posting here and at Firedoglake, and have written a political novel some literary agencies are interested in. Progressive blogs are important, but we have to carry this fight beyond the blogs, and I'm trying to do that.

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policies NEVER change (12.00 / 1)
over shit like this. the policy makers always hunker down and get all authoritarian... the nature of the beast.

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dharmasyd is back (0.00 / 0)
Hope she stays back.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  

Dharmasyd is a wonderful person (12.00 / 1)
I went through and read her, you, night owl, and saw the way you were treated.... and Rusty's banning is just fucking stupid of them.

It makes me so sad.

There is no reason to treat adults, adults who CREATE YOUR BLOG BY JOINING IT, like unruly children that must be slapped with rulers for not scraping to the teachers enough.

I didn't see where they reinstated her, got a link?

It is sad indeed, there are so many great authors that have made DD what it is, and they seem to hold no respect for the fact their authors make them what they are....

I carry this feeling they are saying, "You can come in, but I'll be watching you!" Totally BAD KARMA.


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No announcement (0.00 / 0)
Just click her name and her stuff comes up again.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  

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Banning shouldn't delete (0.00 / 0)
an account...

You can "see" banned users on soapblox.... unless someone deleted her; which can't be undone.... so now I am totally confused.

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her info was deleted for a while (0.00 / 0)
now it's back.  Only Buhdy can ban, maybe it's part of the armistice.  I've e-mailed her to confirm.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  

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which info? (0.00 / 0)
her comments and essays or user id stuff?

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I'm pretty sure... (10.00 / 1)
she's still suspended. Night Owl and I recced her hide rated comment and brought it back from the dead. She is certainly a sweetie, but she can stand up for herself too, she's amazing for her age (76 or 77)!

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My last weigh-in on this (12.00 / 1)
First, I don't much do meta. I understand how entirely frustrating this subject can be... it drives me crazy that we can criticize ANY country in the world on ANY left blog in America... but Israel.

Second, I think the whole reason a shit-storm blew up at DD is that Ek loves to play heavy handed authoritarian and TMC is beginning to act just like him.

I feel I got targeted there, when all my original comments were innocuous, right up until the time NPK jumped in on me out of the blue calling my creds into question on the subject, and I got angry and called her a brown shirt. I regret that, However, I have been called much worse by Ek in the past. It wasn't I/P that caused the argument, it was poor management style.

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I realize to those of you heavily invested in the community there, this is really important, but I don't want to become a DD-bash site, either.

So hopefully, we can just move on.

There is free speech, but I do understand the need for someone who pays the bills on a site to not have it turn into a place they can no longer stand to post (see mlw) ...

I know that budhy, ek and tmc are set in stone on this... and they think they can determine what is "inflammatory" and what is not; filter your information for you.

I think that's incredibly condescending, They think they can create a place that's all warm and fuzzy, by ignoring the stories that are breaking the world apart. It reminds me of the days where "civilized people don't speak of religion or politics...." Yuck!

Hence why I created my own space where the issue of human-rights is not curtailed by censorship.

Personally, I really don't want to give them my work for free; in a place that doesn't particularly value me anymore. I may comment on my friend's essays there to support them once in a while... but not highly likely. Since I dared to cross Ek sticking up for an Inky essay; and he "banned me" and called me anti-semitic, and budhy reinstated me, I have become persona non grata anyway. Ek holds huge grudges.

I don't mind or resent anyone who chooses to stay; or cross-posts both places.

An aside to jeffroby.. I'm not mad at ALL you posted this, I get your investment in it, and your fear of banning for saying it there....

But if you want to be a catalyst for change, doncha think that they will read this here and resent you for talking behind their back, thus become less likely to listen to you? Its a tactical error.

So, let's move on shall we?

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an interesting argument (10.00 / 1)
But if you want to be a catalyst for change, doncha think that they will read this here and resent you for talking behind their back, thus become less likely to listen to you? Its a tactical error.

They already resent me for talking behind their front.

Remember, after the massacre, there was no reporting on DD for 2 days, which is why I felt a responsibility to reluctantly step in.  When I fight, I don't fuck around.  You know Buhdy's reply.  But I have forced them into the open, others are posting on I/P, and they are on notice.

My personal status is a lesser concern.  Those who have supported me there will hopefully continue to support me (except Kitty).  At other times, I've been bullied and been taken aback.  I had to take a stand.  It was safer to avoid banning over here.  I've stayed fastidiously within the rules, but you never know with bullies.

I think (can't know) Buhdy's call to everyone to end it was brought on in a narrow sense by MomCat asking him to ban me.  I just wish people here don't get themselves banned.  It certainly does me no good.  In any event, Buhdy's call to everyone to end it is an excellent closure.  Deed is done.  I have other fish to fry.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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People shouldn't have to walk on eggshells (12.00 / 1)
Essayists and commenters are gifts to a blog. Period.

I welcome anyone and everyone who gets their asses banned by the authoritarians there.... why beg to come back to a place that doesn't want you?

Why not create in THIS space a community that shares the same ideas of how things should be?

I mean, REALLY.... here they can all post on it FREELY.

I'm done there. I refuse to let people posture over me. I have, as you say, bigger fish to fry than a bunch of petty tyrants with ego problems bullying people around....

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That will become my focus. (12.00 / 1)
Why not create in THIS space a community that shares the same ideas of how things should be?

Here's a thought I've shared with a few:

A therapist friend once told me that, with people who have had lives battered in one way or another, they can only see how bad things were once they start to get better.  Thus after 10 years of Bush and Obama, the left has been turned into a wounded, cringing dog.  With the flotilla massacre, something happened.  The drive came from international forces -- certainly not from the U.S. left -- but something has changed in the last week.  The word "effectiveness" can again be found in our dictionaries.  But as my therapist friend also said, sometimes people have a hard time coping with things getting better.

Now when you talk about sharing the same ideas, it gets interesting.  What ideas do we share?  At DD people thought they shared the same ideas, and then I/P reared its lovely head and suddenly they didn't.

I'm in the process of moving and selling my home, and it has been hard dealing with all this.  What I have been working on this year is a method for developing unity, not a plan and not a program and not a bunch of answers.  A method.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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I am heartened (12.00 / 3)
by the massive amounts of page hits we get on sitemeter from all over the world on our essays...

I think there is an awakening, and more and more people get their news from sources like us... so to me, those tripping across them by the "google machine" can find them here or there, and its all good to me.

But I am a survivor of abuse in r/l, so have little stomach for those who seem to revel in meanness and bullying.

My personal cringe factor is far too low.

So just because I am a coward, in some ways, doesn't mean its moral cowardice, just prefer not to feel screamed at. I've had waaaaaay too much of that in my lifetime is all.

I think since I share ideals with people at DD; hence why I have posted there for a couple years... but the added ideal I have to the people that got booted there is that I really am sucky at being a dictator. I prefer to expect enough of my friends that they don't get ugly here... and I don't think I should screen your essays.


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a little tale (12.00 / 2)
I was working with the Facebook Now Jobless Next Homeless, led by a woman named Paladinette.  For a while, we were fighting for Congress to add a 5th tier to unemployment benefits (extend benefits beyond 99 weeks).

I knew we were going to lose this one, though I took part in the campaign.  Paladinette fought like a demon, rallying her 680 members to fax and phone Congress, getting on radio shows, breaking into the mid-level press.

I told her I couldn't do what she was doing.  Instead, I kept trying to build a long-term strategic perspective at DD and Corrente, got some support.  But neither of us could change the outcome.  But I have to say that I could have done more, even in a losing effort, but I didn't have the heart for it.

Paladinette did.  And when it was crushed, she was -- I think -- crushed as well.  I hope she recovers, as she made small gains (organization, visibility) that can be built on.

I am still trying to build that long-term strategic perspective.  But it pains me that I couldn't do more.  And at the same time, I know that only a long-term perspective can deal with unemployment, poverty, and myriad other issues.

I'm just saying I'm not accusing you of ANY kind of cowardice.  And WWL is now home.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe  


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(((awww))) (11.00 / 2)
Thanks for sharing this.

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